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Post by Seth Summers on Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:45 am

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

Armaldo (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- X-Scissor
- Rock Polish

Heracross (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Reversal

Volcarona (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Fiery Dance
- Overheat
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz

Scizor (F) @ Flight Gem
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Acrobatics
- Roost

Galvantula (F) @ Electric Gem
Trait: Compoundeyes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Agility
- Electro Ball
- Thunder Wave
- Signal Beam

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Re: mono-bug

Post by Seth Summers on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:16 pm

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Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

Armaldo (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- X-Scissor
- Rock Polish

Heracross (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Reversal

Volcarona (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Fiery Dance
- Overheat
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz

Scizor (F) @ Flight Gem
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Acrobatics
- Roost

Genesect @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Download
EVs: 58 Atk / 252 SAtk / 200 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- U-turn
- Thunderbolt

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Post by pants, the noun on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:43 pm

genesect is uber here bud...

oh, and i suggest something more to cover the fire weakness... armaldo just isn't doing it well enough =/
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Post by Seth Summers on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:45 pm

its not uber on PO, so i use it..

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Post by pants, the noun on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:48 pm

its uber HERE.

revise it for current users of this particular site seth.
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Post by Erick on Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:14 am

Technically Genosect can't even be used which is why it's limbo on Smogon the tiers here however declare it uber without some testing though so yea.

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Post by pants, the noun on Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:28 am

i tested it on PO, and it simply goes through anything that isn't blissy or jellicent...

it has instant 508 sp. atk on entry to 80% of the DWOU metagame, and it scouts. that and it has 326 speed, which is incredibly fast for a non-deoxys lead. 1 weakness without a priority move with that type, 1HKO's latios and latias, scarfed outspeeds the metagame period, and its only possible counter is volcarona, to which you'd have quagsire backing it.

its uber here for quite a few reasons sir.
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Post by Erick on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:16 pm

pants, the noun wrote:i tested it on PO, and it simply goes through anything that isn't blissy or jellicent...

it has instant 508 sp. atk on entry to 80% of the DWOU metagame, and it scouts. that and it has 326 speed, which is incredibly fast for a non-deoxys lead. 1 weakness without a priority move with that type, 1HKO's latios and latias, scarfed outspeeds the metagame period, and its only possible counter is volcarona, to which you'd have quagsire backing it.

its uber here for quite a few reasons sir.
Of course Genesect is going to rip through teams few if any are expecting to see Genesect in play, however once it is legal expect to see more counters to Genesect. For instance instead of the choice specs Latios it will be a choice scarf Latios, which Genesect fails to outspeed even with a choice scarf. A hidden power fire will always take out Genesect (damage calc 111.16-132.86). Another great counter that will be shown more is an Air Balloon Heatran, or any Heatran for that matter, even after the +1, from download, Genesect will fail to ohko with any move it has and then heatran will ko with flamethrower. Also lead sashed zorarok will also ko with flamethrower. Genesect's greatest hindrance though is base 99 speed and shallow physical movepool. Basically Genesect will only be using a Choice scarf using a special set. Which is why it will fail to hit the uber tier

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Post by pants, the noun on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:44 pm

scarf genesect is everywhere... no counters besides bulky HP fire hitting it =/

and heatran is why you scout with it bud. you dont stay to try and take out heatran... thats obvious

its the best scout possible, it has massive attacks, and is simply overpowered as a mixed sweep/special sweep.
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Re: mono-bug

Post by Kirbx on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:46 pm

Guys it doesn't even exist yet.
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Post by Erick on Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:52 pm

^ and as proven with damage calc a scarfed latios ohkos it with hp fire . What physical move does genesect have that is even worth mentioning besides x-scissor. More likely than not you will see genesect as a late game sweeper over a scouter.

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Post by Kirbx on Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:03 pm

Mono bug is one of the shitiest types of teams anyway, you could use bug-Arcues for all I care.
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Post by Seth Summers on Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:20 pm

Kirbx wrote:Guys it doesn't even exist yet.
it DOES on PO....hence it being posted in the PO section of the RMT....

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Post by The GodFather on Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:35 pm

The only physical move worthy of a scout/mixed sweeper set is U-Turn, I've never seen X-Scissor used and I doubt it would outdo it anyway.

Simply put, Genesect is a beast. A jack of all trades. But its certainly not perfect. Anything with a scarf, sash, or Deoxys-S with a Fire attack instantly OHKO's it. Which is why it wouldn't be much of a dominating threat in Uber, with SB Blaziken, Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Reshiram running rampid there.

Genesect deserves to be in OU, and I follow Smogon's tiers, so if its Limbo that means it can be used in any team NU and up basically.

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Post by pants, the noun on Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:32 pm

stabd U-turn kirb. its exactly why its there.

scarved genesect OS pretty much everything besides scarved ape and scarved latios... both of which are rarely scarved.

thats 2 scarf counters that you would most likely avoid confronting. it pretty much tears through everything that isn't a sp. wall after that.

its simply broken as a late-game sweep, and has 1 weakness that will almost never OS it unless you put faith in scarves.

558 atk and 489 speed is nothing to take lightly. in ubers, it OHKO's scarf kyogre with thunder 60% of the time, ludi with bug buzz, non-scarf deoxys-A w/ U-turn/bug buzz, and the ever-popular mewtwo with bug buzz.

there's quite alot of possibility with HP rock and rock polish in ubers as well.

it has nice potential in uber play, especially since soul dew is allowed, and will be favored over scarf on latios (U-turn hits pathetically hard).
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Post by The GodFather on Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:09 pm

True, but the thing is once Genesect's tier is finalized all the strategies you know now will change to adapt to KO'ing that one specific monster, kinda like everyone trying to KO Ferrothorn at the beginning of B/W competitive battling because it was so common, so overused, and so frickin' awesome. It still is but isn't used as much. Even once Genesect's tier is finalized and it can be legally obtained, it'll be seen EVERYWHERE at FIRST, then people will get bored and use it less often. Just how the game goes, Ferro's a perfect example.

And you are absolutely correct, it absolutely murders a lot of common Ubers and the ones it doesn't murder it hits extremely hard. But like I said, once Genesect's tier is finalized and its legal, you'll see everything carrying a Scarf and a Fire-type attack, I guarantee that Sir.

The metagame adapts to its threats, so when a new threat appears somewhere in the metagame, new checks and counters you didn't think of before pop up. Scarf Infernape, Scarf Latios, Scarf Ninetails, and anything else will either carry a Focus Sash, Scarf&Fire attack, Scout move like Protect and then a Resist to that move to switch to on that team, or run away in pure terror at being idiotic enough as to not put a Genesect-Counter on their team.

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Post by pants, the noun on Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:27 pm

so you would in all good faith scarf ape just for the possibility of genesect??...
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Post by The GodFather on Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:39 pm

You wouldn't scarf it JUST for Genesect, it has its real uses as a revenge-killer too. And if you band it, why not scarf or specs it?

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Post by pants, the noun on Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:42 pm

because a speed of 105 generally doesn't need scarf... and wait you band it!? you dont go mixed with it?

some people and their apes....
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Post by The GodFather on Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:57 am

Yet a base 99 speed poke gets scarf and they're only 6 points apart? And lol I used to band it in 4th gen, ask Zero how epic that thing was, I haven't used an Infernape in B/W yet but I'll probably go mixed with it. Lol

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Post by pants, the noun on Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:37 pm

in 4th, its ok banded since nothing really takes a CC from it.

in 5th... band is pretty dead because of the whole blaziken fiasco... and sharpedo isn't worth using it with... specs is where its at in 5th.
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Post by beasthaxorous on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:03 pm

lol great points coming across i use a banded ape in my real team but mite sub it out just for it being so dead like pants said.
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Post by The GodFather on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:55 pm

I thought your ape was LO beast? lol

Yeah in 4th CC kills all.

In 5th, what does the Blaziken-fiasco have to do with Infernape? And banding a Sharpedo is certainly not worth it, lol since it usually carries Ice Beam LO is better and go mixed. Specs seems good, never tried a Spected Ape though, guess there's a first time for everything lol

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Post by pants, the noun on Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:16 pm

well blaze is faster, gerally learns most of the same physical attacks, and is a better CB choice in 5th, but now its dead.

in OU, nothing can use band well these days... excadrill died, haxorous is dreadful when using it, and there's nothing that cant just boost rather than CB these days.

its just a useless item after excadrill went uber
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Post by The GodFather on Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:33 pm

True, but Blaze is Uber which is why Infernape is still one of the top Fire-types in 5th gen OU.

Always used an SD Excadrill, never CB, I tried a BP + CB Haxorus once, was interesting. But Darmanitan LOVES Band, you're forgetting about him bud. Wink

So its not completely useless, but Scarf's always been the primary Choive itrm of the 3.

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